A small discussion (only grammatical

A small discussion (only grammatical errors were corrected!). Keep in mind- these are not my words!


SETHTHEREBATEMACHINE

(Date Posted: Sep/05/2001 11:57 AM)

?Before there was Israel the Arabs killed Jews in Israel for no apparent reason (ex. the Hebron riots of 1929 and the Jerusalem pogrom). The Arabs themselves caused the refugee problem, in 1948 the Arab armies told all the Arabs in Israel to leave their houses so that the armies could roll over the new state of Israel. Despite the Jews actually begging the Arabs to stay, they left for the promise that they could move back in after the war and have the Jewish property.

All the revisionist history is disgusting. After India got it independence, India and Pakistan did a huge population transfer, where India got the Pakistani Hindus and Pakistan got the Indian Muslims. Both populations were absorbed within a few years. When Israel declared statehood, the Arab countries made life for Jews even worse then it was before, and they basically harassed them so much that they escaped how ever they could even at the risk of the death penalty. But when they came to Israel, the Israelis absorbed them very fast. There were over 900,000 Jews from Arab countries that have come to Israel since 1948. According to the mathematically correct numbers or Arab refugees, there were about 400,000 of them. The Arabs with combined lands larger then the United States refused to give refuge to there Arab brothers, they knew by keeping them as refugees they would remain an open sore to the state of Israel.

There is so much more I could write but it takes to long. But there are some very good books on the subject such as: From Time Immemorial: Origins of Arab-Jewish Conflict-by Joan Peters?

Ciggy76

(Date Posted: Sep/05/2001 4:31 PM)

?Ok, being that I am a Jewish male age 25 and having been to Israel in the past I can say this. It is fairly normal to see armed soldiers around walking the streets. That is just part of what Israel is. Israel is a Jewish state surrounded by 26 Arab states that are ruled by non-democratic governments. I personally am friends with a few Arabs and for the most part we all agree that what is going on there is absolutely stupid. Live and let live. Just remember this when conversing with Palestinians, 1 they do have a claim to the land which is Israel, 2 they fought a war immediately after the UN divided the land up and lost. Last time I checked we haven?t given back our land to the French or the British that we won from a war. Israel was willing to give it up for peace. Lastly, all the Arab nations seem to want Israel to give land to Palestinians so they can get rid of there refugees… Just a thought, why don’t said refugees get citizenship in the other Arab nations… they aren’t wanted there… hmm kinda odd don’t ya think.?

lt

(Date Posted: Sep/05/2001 5:12 PM)

?Christianirc, what is “It is almost a white man versus native Americans type thing, though on a different level” supposed to mean?

The Jews were in Israel l-o-n-g before the Arabs or the Christians, so if anyone is getting kicked out of the “native” land it?s the Jews. It is called the Old Testament. Check it out.

And I don’t feel sorry for anyone that STARTS a war and LOSES and then cries that they don’t get their land back so they can start another war.

Jihad, man: “Kill the Jews and Christians and we get to go directly to heaven!”

Think about it.?

Trafael

(Date Posted: Sep/05/2001 10:01 PM)

?Amazingly enough I’m in “broadcasting” now from Israel. Although I grew up here, I”ve been living in NY for the past 6 years and just came here for a 10 day trip.

It’s amazing how much media can blow things out of proportion and distort people”s common sense. Just from watching the news one might think that the chances of getting hurt in Israel are enormous, however everything we do in life in general is a calculated risk. I personally don?t know of anyone that that was hit in a terrorist attack throughout my 21 years that I lived here. My parents and brother and many other relatives live here and were never anywhere close to getting hurt. So it is a handful of fanatics that end up controlling people?s emotions and feeling of security for no reason. It’s amazing how much the news influence people”s sense of security - I started to have little doubts myself about security issues before coming here but now again seeing daily life here was completely reassuring. Chances of being hit by those crazed fanatics are close to nil and for instance the number of people killed in car accidents in Israel is overwhelmingly higher than in those kamikaze incidents.

And there is unbelievable daily cooperation between Jews and Moslem here that no one cares to talk about. Just by having so many of those peoples intermingled and work together daily is heartwarming. My parents went to a Moslem wedding, held in an Israeli Moslem town just days before my arrival here. On the other hand there are many Moslem Arabs that will come to my brother”s wedding (which is happening today). Both my parents encounter lots of Moslem Arabs daily as coworkers or as patients as part of their work. In fact my mother provides doctor”s services to a totally Moslem Arab town. It’s a shame that everything seems so frightening on TV when daily life here is so much different. For me it is much like the way people used to be scared of crime in NYC, which although you constantly heard about it never really happened to you (crime has gone way down in NY, but even before that it didn?t use to be the way people made believe.)

To sum up, by rationalizing and having a clear handle on facts much of the BS that you see on the news is just that. I refuse to be ruled by a handful of fanatics that would curtail my steps and try to influence history through media photos which ignore 99.99% of real life and focus on the 0.01%; the unusual and the odd.

In 4 days since my arrival I visited several archeological sites which are amazing and inspire peacefulness and a sense of proportion when compared to the little skirmishes you hear about those days. The Israelites, Greek, Romans, Byzantines, crusaders, Mamelucks, ottomans and many others were all here and left their towns and fortresses all around (several sites have 25 layers of different civilizations one on top of each other). Kings and slaves are all now ashes and dust. And as civilizations come and go the only thing that prevails is the sun the sea and the land. ?And humans.?

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